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No idea, I don’t pay attention to that kind of stuff

Kei Wendt

ah it was @Oragamal i think

That's a different can of worms. If people want to help them in DMs that's fine but them not listening to people and not sharing what advice they tried was a problem. I think they struggle with switching but at least they're doing a little better after they got Kira back iirc

Oh? Ok

Leiko

please don’t take it the wrong way but i don’t think talking about methods for curiosity is productive i have more of a practical than theoretical approach so i would just like to try if those methods work rather than talk about them because so far they have been quite successful with quick results so the next step would be to see if they work for someone who has struggled a long time

we can also vouch for these methods as well :3c

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I just like learning how others do things

10:11 PM

we still have yet to switch again but have been overall improving when it comes to system stuff I know we’ll get there again eventually

10:13 PM

there’s just some goals that should probably be met first

Oh, I do struggle with switching even though I've done it before. I can't get my switching to be the same high quality it is some of the time. I get it once then it degrades, then I give up for a long time then try again and it will be decent again, but then immediately degrade again and repeat

..am I able to hear the methods? Or is it a nope

Leiko

does anyone know someone who has struggled with switching for a long time? I would like to test if my usual methods + a promising new one i developed lately would be of any help for someone that feels very stuck with it

I have switched before but struggle to do it consistently well. Does that count?

Skyler 🐉

..am I able to hear the methods? Or is it a nope

Do you mean me? I sit in meditation then have my tulpa start to "meditate for me" and it squeezes her in the front and then I try to slip out

I had meant leiko

10:21 PM

but as I said I do like learning of the way other people do things so thanks

np

TB

Do you mean me? I sit in meditation then have my tulpa start to "meditate for me" and it squeezes her in the front and then I try to slip out

I remember you commenting about this in your PR. Interesting stuff, it’s like switching was MEANT to involve meditation, lol

10:31 PM

At least that’s what everyone back then thought

I still don’t understand how exactly to meditate

Skyler 🐉

I still don’t understand how exactly to meditate

can i ask what your method is

Skyler 🐉

I still don’t understand how exactly to meditate

The Mind Illuminated. There are different branches of meditation, but if you want Theravada that book is a must

I have switched before but struggle to do it consistently well. Does that count?

@TB - jump if someone managed to switch in the oast but struggles with consistency, i don’t think it is a skill issue or a problem related to tulpamancy, so i’m not sure if it would help

it’s been a long time since a switch, but what we used was the one to switch in would focus on switching in and what they want to do, hyping up, and then they jump into front by doing something (anything not currently being done, can be as simple as a stretch) and by doing that they knock the previous fronter out of front

..am I able to hear the methods? Or is it a nope

@Skyler

- jump you were around quite often when i was talking about my methods

oh

that’s why i don’t think it’s helpful to talk about methods out of curiosity

sorry, I was thinking it was something new you just thought of

if you theorise you are stuck in theorising

10:35 PM

there are new aspects to it

10:37 PM

sometimes when i was talking to someone about my methods or thoughts, i see it now as a bit of a waste of time because those people weren’t doing anything about it taking someone provate and working with them is much more meaningful

10:41 PM

and effective

Leiko

I have switched before but struggle to do it consistently well. Does that count?

@TB - jump if someone managed to switch in the oast but struggles with consistency, i don’t think it is a skill issue or a problem related to tulpamancy, so i’m not sure if it would help

Consistency can be an issue we can fix. It's important to know what about the switching experience needs to be consistent. Some of our switches feel more er... "powerful" than others. I believe expectation is the difference, but I bet if focused on the feeling can be recreated. That being said, I don't know if I'm going to be able to help TB. I remember thinking about their situation and giving advice before. I don't mind giving it another try but I feel like I need a breakdown of the experience to help

A long kiss goodnight

Consistency can be an issue we can fix. It's important to know what about the switching experience needs to be consistent. Some of our switches feel more er... "powerful" than others. I believe expectation is the difference, but I bet if focused on the feeling can be recreated. That being said, I don't know if I'm going to be able to help TB. I remember thinking about their situation and giving advice before. I don't mind giving it another try but I feel like I need a breakdown of the experience to help

Oh uh well, it's like sometimes we switch and it just feels like me trying to pretend to be Rena. It really sucks. When it happens often I start to doubt I've ever even switched before, but I'm fairly sure I've had different experiences that were powerful and like being a different person

Has Rena already tried doing her-specific activities? While she will be influenced by the autopilot/bodyOS, she can influence it back (to the point you feel like her sometimes!)

Hmm not really I suppose. We don't know what her specific activities would be yet

Maybe possession would help? Even though you can switch, it may take the "realness" pressure off?

Luminesce: It's a somewhat hot take of mine, but I feel like learning possession tends to make learning switching harder for people (edited)

9:38 PM

I have no idea why, since I would intuitively think "Switching will be completely different from possessing", but it just seems to happen, experienced possessers often struggle to switch for whatever reason

9:39 PM

Probably from seeing switching as even remotely related to possession, when it's not

I think possession and switching could possibly be the same experience, but I can't say for sure. I do find it interesting that learning switching doesn't guarantee they know how to possess though Unless it turns out what people typically are doing happens to be possession instead of switching, but I don't find this train of thought productive or even accurate. Instead, I find it helpful to think of possession, switching by mindset, and sensory switching as different things. I do know that those two types of switching are different, even if it's unclear how possession is related to these other two (edited)

When we switch, there's a certain amount of "ownership" over... for lack of a better term, different "segments" of the driver's seat

9:52 PM

It's not distinct body parts

9:52 PM

it's more like distinct mental processes

9:52 PM

Imagining a hypothetical scenario, analyzing a problem, interacting socially, those are all different "kinds" of thought

9:53 PM

When I'm switched in, it takes some amount of active effort to prevent having Blank accidentally take back control of some aspect

When I'm switched in, it takes some amount of active effort to prevent having Blank accidentally take back control of some aspec...

@blanka - jump For us that's possession, or at least, was. Ranger had to fight Gray to stay in control with possession, but after Ranger figured out sensory switching Gray has been on easy mode. And of course as I'm possessing Gray now, he can instantly yeet me from the front if we get distracted

A lot of people have described that 'mindset switching' is essentially possession. However, I cannot confirm or deny this

9:58 PM

Those who do 'mindset switching' see partial possession as possession and therefore a distinct experience (edited)

Interesting how people's switching experiences can be so different

My current theory is there are three distinct "styles"-

"mindset switching"
"sensory switching"
"wonderland switching"

In general, people seem to report similar things about their switching experience. For example, a lot of people report the host taking the front back if they don't focus on the front. That seems to be a trait of "mindset switching". Sensory switching on the other hand doesn't seem to cause that problem. Wonderland switching appears to be caused by a stronger sense of dissociation It could be that simple- these experiences correlate with one's level of dissociation

What is sensory switching?

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10:15 PM

Also, is wonderland switching where you visualize switching places in the wonderland?

Sensory switching is when you switch in by taking ownership of the body's sensory experience. More specifically, you assign yourself as the owner of the stream of consciousness (SOC). This doesn't make a switch being triggered by just thinking impossible, far from it. Also, I don't think it's always necessarily "harder" to achieve sensory switching, if it's even appropriate to assume that at all. I believe a young system learning switching for the first time rolls the dice and has roughly a 20% chance of getting sensory switching first try. After that, the odds of them getting it after practicing 'mindset switching' is pretty generous. We struggled with sensory switching due to mindset issues, otherwise we would have gotten it ~5-6 months earlier

Kei Wendt

Also, is wonderland switching where you visualize switching places in the wonderland?

Wonderland switching is when the headmate switching out feels like they go to a "place" (like a wonderland) or a "void" if they have nowhere to go. Even if parallel processing isn't real, from what I heard wonderland switching is a distinct experience that's different from the other two types of switching. My guess is there's a stronger dissociation component at play (edited)

10:26 PM

=== A quick side note- "Becoming your tulpa" from what I have heard seems more related to how someone defines what a host is and how they view the SOC more than what happens when they switch. I have seen people report 'mindset switching' and 'sensory switching' while saying they "become their tulpa"

A long kiss goodnight

Wonderland switching is when the headmate switching out feels like they go to a "place" (like a wonderland) or a "void" if they have nowhere to go. Even if parallel processing isn't real, from what I heard wonderland switching is a distinct experience that's different from the other two types of switching. My guess is there's a stronger dissociation component at play (edited)

Oh that's sorta what happens with us With us, the headmate who's switching in becomes the only active headmate and the rest just kinda chill in the wonderland That's why we don't really proxy

I think the "parallel processing" part should be emphasized more

Yeah we don't experience parallel processing

We have a wonderland, but it's not like it feels separate from our body somehow

Hm For us it feels like a space in our brain Idk how to describe it but doing something in the wonderland does not feel the same as doing something bodily

I don't have my own perspective or point of view in wonderland. It's like we share one camera and whoever is switched in gets first dibs on what to look at

10:35 PM

That camera shows us what's going on in wonderland, you can call it our mind's eye

For us, whoever is switched in gets the pov But the others also seem to see things? Idk it's confusing

Hmm, we don't have that

10:38 PM

I have to like ask the mind's eye to show me what I want to see

10:38 PM

And it takes away whatever was being looked at before

Oh We see like... all of it at once

this may not be tulpa questions, but how would this type of switching be achieved?

Ranger ↩️

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patrick 🥁 (he/him) ✮ 🐑

this may not be tulpa questions, but how would this type of switching be achieved?

I believe the key to sensory switching is to not leave out the sensory part, as that's what I struggled with. It can be more than just you think therefore you are switched-in, and once switched in it's more than just controlling the body. The body's experience are now yours instead of your host's. Other steps to the switching process seem important too, at least at first. Affirmations like "I am the host, I'm one with the body, ..." and association by focusing on your sensory experiences helped me switch

Hi, I'm new here

welcome. Do you have questions?

A lot, but I don't know where to begin

5:58 AM

I feel like there's a lot of people inside of my head.

5:58 AM

I don't know what it is.

6:01 AM

My friend who's a lot more familiar with plural stuff says I might have DID, but I don't know how to feel about that. I'm kind of wondering if it's just tulpas, or if it's DID, or nothing at all. It just feels like one huge identity crisis and lately I've never felt like "me". It's as if the concept of myself doesn't exist, and that I'm just kind of sitting here while a bunch of other people try and take the wheel.

6:01 AM

Friend says I've definitely suffered through enough trauma to develop signs of DID

Could you describe your system to us? That might help us get a better understanding about what we're working with.

cynaminty

Friend says I've definitely suffered through enough trauma to develop signs of DID

But he isn't a psychologist, far as I'm aware. Neither am I. I don't want to self-diagnose or anything because I feel like that might be disrespectful to those who are plural, especially if it turns out that I'm not myself.

Vos ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

Could you describe your system to us? That might help us get a better understanding about what we're working with.

Hmm.

6:02 AM

Well, it's comprised of a lot of existing fictional characters

6:02 AM

Some of which are my own OCs.

6:03 AM

A lot of those said fictional characters I see a lot of pieces of myself in.

6:05 AM

Again, I don't really know if it's a system or not, and I don't want to seem disrespectful by claiming it is in case, well, y'know, it's not

Well, "plural" is a blanket term that encompasses both disordered and non-disordered plurality. Any system can use it.

cynamin ↩️

Reply to: But he isn't a psychologist, far as I'm aware. Neither am I. I don't want to self-diagnose or anythi…

6:06 AM

This seems pretty normal. Both disordered and non-disordered systems have headmates based on fictional characters or OCs. Could you describe how you interact with them?

cynamin ↩️

Reply to: A lot of those said fictional characters I see a lot of pieces of myself in.

Well, I guess sometimes I feel like I am those characters. I switch pfps a lot to try and affirm that. Originally I passed it off as just me kinning these characters, but lately i've been having a bit of an identity crisis, i guess. It feels like they're all in my head, arguing over who gets to take the wheel.

6:08 AM

But then again, I have to ask myself if whether or not they're actually sentient beings, or just figments of my imagination.

Do they ever succeed in taking control? And if so, how do you experience that?

6:09 AM

Also, if they do take control, when? Are there any clear reasons why?

Well, that's the thing. I never really feel like a different person when I do it. I just feel like, me.

6:10 AM

One of my more prominent "kins" (calling them kins for now as that's what I'm most familiar with them) is Noelle Holiday from Deltarune

6:10 AM

While I'm kinshifted into this character, it feels like all the other characters I kin are separate people.

Lots of people feel in-character when they're attracted to a character (not romantically, just enjoying the character in general), but that doesn't make it plurality. In plurality, these characters would be inviduals within your mind, who are free-thinking and respond independently of you.

Yeah, that's the confusing part.

6:11 AM

I feel like that character when I'm kinshifted into them, but when I'm not, it feels like they just live in the back of my head. It feels like they're still talking in there. Waiting for me to "kinshift" back into them

if you aren’t getting any dissociative issues it’s probably not DID. People can accidentally make headmates from OCs, that’s actually how I came to be. I don’t know anything about ‘kinshifting’ so I can’t compare the two

I'm using the terms "kinshifting" as a placeholder more or less, in case it's not that.

6:12 AM

They feel like separate people in my head when I'm not them.

Yes, but if you're not experiencing memory issues or dissociation from your experience, I don't think it displays DID symptoms.

Ah.

6:13 AM

What would dissociation mean in this context?

6:13 AM

I know next to nothing about this kinda stuff.